Should you have the misfortune to be summoned to court to have a Liability Order granted against you, you need to realise that the orders are 99.9% of the time a done deal before the date of the hearing. What Dead Beat Dads Association has discovered when assisting fathers in court is that it is merely a rubber stamping exercise by the Magistrates for CSA.

 

 Some fathers who have come to us have stated they are due to appear in court for a Liability order, they have stated that they have evidence to show they do not owe the money and are willing to battle it out in court with the magistrates. Our answer to that is forget it,  they are not going to listen and they will grant the liability order.

 

 A lot of us  are under the understanding that we are being summoned to a court of law and lets face it we have been conditioned to think  that and that the Magistrates, like the CSA are an authority. During the three years we have been up and running our research along with the help from other friends, we have uncovered a lot of corruption within these so called authorities, and the lengths they will go to in order to obtain funds is disturbing. Dead Beat Dads realised this within the first twelve months of supporting  non resident parents, and the “Reducing Child Poverty” is nothing more than just a smoke screen and a sneaky way of gaining some public support in order to justify their existence. The Courts or the Ministry Of justice is all in on the act as well, as are the banks.

 

A Magistrates Court is not a Court of law it is merely a Court of commerce, you are merely there to do banking business with them, only you are not aware of what they are up to.  Think about why there is a Justices Clerk in there, that is the bank clerk, have a look at a notice of fine, it will show an account number to pay that fine into, its all to do with banking and finances.  The strange part about it all is that the Courts are not financially licensed, and by fining you and allowing you to pay a debt they have created by way of instalments using debit or credit card, and giving you financial advice, i.e we are ordering you to pay x number of pounds, is giving financial advice.

 

If we look below you will see the Ministry Of JustICE trading as a business. The ICE bit is in capitals for a reason.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  You will receive a summons inviting you to do business with the CSA and the Courts, you will notice that the summons comes from the CSA Belfast head office, and not the courts.  This is a clear indication that the CSA are working together with the courts, and lets face it both companies are Government bodies therefore one of the same company thus creating a conflict of interest.

 The thing what you need to understand is that the liability orders are already arranged within the CSA/CMEC, known as the administrative liability Orders, this is why under section 33 of the child Support Act 1991 the Magistrates  or Sheriff cannot question the CSA on how they calculate their assessments.

   This is why when you go into court they will not listen to your evidence, as according to their legislation there is no evidence to hear or see. Is this fair?????? Definitely not, however there is a reason this is happening but we are not going to go into that at this stage.

 The CSA before issuing a summons will try to get you to pay off an alleged debt that they say you owe, they will give you advice such as ask friends or family to lend you the money, take out a bank loan, default on your mortgage etc etc, this unfortunately they are not allowed to do, this is giving you financial advice which the CSA are not allowed to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the alleged summons to defendant which is not court issue, but CSA issue. Note there is no court address or phone number at the top of the alleged summons therefore rendering it a fraudulent document.

Here we have an officer duly appointed by the child Maintenance and EnFORCEment Commission, who she is stating that the non resident parent is responsible for the matter of complaint of which the NRP is due to pay a debt.

 The officer is not the Child  Maintenance EnFORCEment Commission,  Noel Shanohan is the Commission and so it must be him that attends the court .

When a lay of  information is placed before the court it has to be sworn in, hence the statement “TAKEN BEFORE ME”. As you can see  you cannot make out who the Justices Clerk is, and it    could  be that the CSA are drafting up fraudulent documents  purporting to be signed  by a justices clerk  sent out in an envelope with the Belfast Address on the back.

There are a number of ways of dealing with this fraudulent activity, however we are not putting them on here .  From our  area reps experience through out the country it  has been observed that the people sitting on the bench are not who you think they are.

 

  Another experience one of Dead Beat Dads member and Area rep advisor had in a court was an order to pay £5 per week  until he had a change in circumstances, which he duly did, only to be summoned back to court by the CSA a couple of  months later to be committed to prison. Our Advisor asked the court how he could be sent to prison for adhering to  a court order. This was the question  the judge  asked the Clerk and the CSA solicitor to which they could not find a law that stated this could happen. The CSA solicitor  was told to leave the court room three times and told to find a law that allows the court to send somebody to prison for adhering to a court order. The only thing the CSA alleged solicitor could come up with was it was a Civil Criminal law  that could allow this, fortunately in this case  there was a proper judge sitting in on the matter and not a magistrate, the Judge simply laughed at this ridiculous statement and order him and the CSA out of the court.

 

This is proof of how desperate they CSA/CMEC are to collect revenue to place into their bank account which will  then be paid into the consolidation fund.

 

A Liability Order is supposed to be a way of showing legally that a debt is owing and has not been paid. What you can do is request a copy of the sworn statement by the non legally qualified court presenting officer, then request proof that debt is actually owing. If they can’t prove that then then they are committing perjury.  You need to see proof that the CSA have paid out funds to the Parent with Care for a debt to be owing. Just because they have assessed you at a certain amount does not mean that a debt has accrued or been paid out. You also have every right to see the CSA accounts showing that any funds have been paid out, if they refuse then they are withholding evidence which is against Case Law,t o which they nor the courts can overrule. If they canot prove any fiunds have ben paid out bythe CSA then there is no debt.

 

 Another thing you must be made aware of is that the CSA/CMEC is a run for profit business, although they do not do good business as they have £21700 worth of CCjs registered against them.

 

And the alleged Liability order purporting to be issued from the Courts. This is a CSA issued document identical to the alleged Summons illustrated above. It proves the CSA/CMEC  have no idea about their own legislation or the Magistrates legislation. Magistrates cannot deal with matters over the sum of £5000, anything above £5000 has to be moved to County Court. As we stated before those three people sat before you on the bench are not who you think they are, this is one of te reasons why the CSA are railroading liability orders through the Magistrates division, hoping you are not aware of the limitation Magistrates can deal with, because if the matter was to be heard in the correct division, i.e County Court , then a District Judge or Judge can quite lawfully question their assessment, whereas the magistrates cannot, this is the whole idea behind their unlawful scams to unlawfully try to show an unproven debt is owed to them.

 

 

A Liability order identical to the Summons, all on CSA issue paperwork

Looking at both the summons and the liability order it is on official court paperwork, there is no court seal only a mere untidy signature that cannot be  made out. There is no contact numbers to contact the court, who to ask for  should you need to contact them, this is merely a rubber stamping exercise by the CSA purporting to be done by the Courts.

 

 Should you receive one of these unlawful documents you can ask the Clerk who issued the summons to provide you with their documentation to show that they scrutinised the sworn statement provide by an employee of the CSA/CMEC. A summons must be issued in accordance with Justice Clerks Rules 2005 (S.I.2005 No.545) The granting of summonses is more than a rubber stamping exercise. The person issuing the summons must be authorised to do so and must scrutinise the information to satisfy themselves that the requirements are met and a summons properly granted. See Tesco Stores Ltd [1981] Q.B.470,DC.

ARCHBOLD 4-77 PAGE 177 Magistrates criminal practice.

 

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The Courts must hear your liability case  at YOUR nearest magistrates court, if you  receive a summons to appear at a Magistrates in another county or at a court that is not near you then you inform tat court that you want it moving to a court near you, and they have to do it.

We are inviting you to come and do business with our joint company the Ministry Of Justice so we can impose some unlawful statutes upon you

We are trying to say that we conned you into thinking you had contracted  with our company and that you have to pay us some money towards our property

My debt... who said it was my debt? So you are going to unlawfully try and enforce a false instrument upon me that prevents me from proving my innocence.

That is a bad Statute

Now they are giving out legal advice.

Ah an admittance that they are colluding with the Magistrates  by knowing what they may consider as a defence

Yes we know your a run for profit business

If you want to contact us through what ever method  you can do, all we will do is tell lies, not record any conversations unless it benefits our company

The Magistrates are working for the Agency when we hire the court and the Magistrates for the day. They are then working for the Agency., so they will do what we say .

 We will use false instruments or false laws in order to impose unlawful statutes upon you and we will not allow you to prove your innocence and we will tie the Magistrates hands

 

We will get the order granted as the Magistrates cannot question the Agency so therefore they will have to accept our word is the law and we will remove your rights and put a liability order on you anyway